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 Post subject: Georgia declare war on Russia.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:03 am 
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Escalating tensions between Georgia and its breakaway province of South Ossetia have erupted into serious fighting.

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The separatist administration in South Ossetia has been trying to gain formal independence since breaking away in a civil war in the 1990s.

Russia has troops in the region, on a peacekeeping mandate. But Moscow also supports the separatists.


What is the status of South Ossetia?


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South Ossetia has run its own affairs since fighting for independence from Georgia in 1991-92, in the aftermath of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

It has declared independence, though this has not been recognised by any other country.

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili has vowed to bring South Ossetia and another breakaway region, Abkhazia, back under full Georgian control.


Why do Ossetians want to break away?

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The Ossetians are a distinct ethnic group originally from the Russian plains just south of the Don river. In the 13th Century, they were pushed southwards by Mongol invasions into the Caucasus mountains, settling along the border with Georgia.


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South Ossetians want to join up with their ethnic brethren in North Ossetia, which is an autonomous republic within the Russian Federation.

Ethnic Georgians are a minority in South Ossetia, accounting for less than one-third of the population.

But Georgia rejects even the name, South Ossetia, preferring to call it by the ancient name of Samachablo, or Tskhinvali, after its main city.


What triggered the latest crisis?
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Tension has risen since the election of President Saakashvili in 2004. He offered South Ossetia dialogue and autonomy within a single Georgian state - but in 2006 South Ossetians voted in an unofficial referendum to press their demands for complete independence.

In April 2008 Nato said Georgia would be allowed to join the alliance at some point - angering Russia, which opposes the eastward expansion of Nato. Weeks later, Russia stepped up ties with the separatists in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

In July Russia admitted its fighter jets entered Georgian airspace over South Ossetia to "cool hot heads in Tbilisi". Occasional clashes escalated, until six people were reportedly killed by Georgian shelling. Attempts to reach a ceasefire quickly collapsed.



Could Russia become directly involved in war?

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Russia insists it has been acting as a peacekeeper in South Ossetia, rejecting Georgian accusations that it has been supplying arms to the separatists.

However, it has vowed to defend its citizens in South Ossetia - of which there are many. More than half of South Ossetia's 70,000 citizens are said to have taken up Moscow's offer of a Russian passport.

Russia may view limited military intervention as less risky than recognising South Ossetia's independence, which could lead to all-out war with Georgia.


What about Georgia's links to Nato?
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President Saakashvili has made membership of Nato one of his main goals. Georgia has a close relationship with the United States and has been cultivating ties with Western Europe.

There are those who believe that Mr Saakashvili may be hoping to draw Nato into a conflict with Moscow, making their alliance a formal one.

But analysts say it is difficult to imagine Nato allowing itself to be drawn into a direct conflict with its Cold War rival after managing to avoid that for so long.



So guys, Georgia's declared war on Russia, Georgia has NATO as backup. Discuss ? WWIII !?!?

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 Post subject: Re: Georgia declare war on Russia.
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stupid and pointless... just some pissed of retards from georgia

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Meh, this shiz is big business. You can make a butt load of cash off of wars, let's just hope I'm one of them.

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Meh, this shiz is big business. You can make a butt load of cash off of wars, let's just hope I'm one of them.



and you lose a buttload

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ritehandkid wrote:
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Meh, this shiz is big business. You can make a butt load of cash off of wars, let's just hope I'm one of them.



and you lose a buttload



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 Post subject: Re: Georgia declare war on Russia.
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Georgia has NATO as backup


not really, georgia asked USA for help, but they didnt accepted yet, and they wont, cause russia is just too strong, for usa it will be better, that Georgia will lose their country and some million men, than make ww3

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not really, georgia asked USA for help, but they didnt accepted yet, and they wont, cause russia is just too strong, for usa it will be better, that Georgia will lose their country and some million men, than make ww3


nahhh .. they will just send em materials and weapons ... look the yanks take part in nearly every war on world... they are just that smart to send no troups ...they favor it more to send the weapons that the war-countries can massacre each other and the usa has the economic advantage of it.

all in all i think the uno/UN will take action in this conflict ...

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hahahahaha did mike just say

"russia is too strong"?


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tbh, they are...
i promise you, i hate russia, but they are too strong and with this dictator putin...


and dont think, that america is strong...

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oh, i forgot, usa have bush :D

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hahahahaha did mike just say

"russia is too strong"?
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they have more nuclear-wepaons than all other countries of the world together ! with the amount of their nuclear weps they could destroy the whole planet 3 times. ..is that not "too strong" ?

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tbh, they are...
i promise you, i hate russia, but they are too strong and with this dictator putin...


medwedew is their president ;)

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i very seriously doubt they have "more than all the world put together"

but after a certain point, the amount of weapons becomes irrelevant.

If we have enough to destroy all of Russia, then we're fine




Besides, since no one really wants a nuclear war, they won't fire them. The war will then depend on the military, not nukes.
(and i very seriously doubt russia could take the states, much less the states and all her allies)

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Oh noes Georgia vs Russia? [ohnoes]


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i very seriously doubt they have "more than all the world put together"

but after a certain point, the amount of weapons becomes irrelevant.

If we have enough to destroy all of Russia, then we're fine




Besides, since no one really wants a nuclear war, they won't fire them. The war will then depend on the military, not nukes.
(and i very seriously doubt russia could take the states, much less the states and all her allies)


in case of war china wud not be neutral. chinas and russias armys and reservists together are three time so big like the us and his allies... good luck in case of war .... if usa wud rly have a chance they wud alrdy began the wwIII....they had more than one possibilities.. it has to be always a balance of the power ... thats the way to have not much wars .. ever watched planet of the apes II ?

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[Mexinoes] but it would be everyone in the world vs. russia and china?
(plus probably iran?)

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everyone ... not many countries have armys that are mentionable... and i guess the usa prey upon the poor in so much countries (take whole southamerica or nearly whole africa ... i see not much pro-usa countries there ...).... japan has still a bill open with the usa ... cuba too ...

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