I totally agree on that one
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Quite funny since RedCell is technically an EU clan, lol.

Can some kind mod lock this before it turns into a flame war like the last topic?

If people's opinions weren't valued here, this would be locked already.

But on a serious note, this topic should stay on the course of its original purpose.

Where did I say that? I just said that the situation we European members are in right now is pretty bad and that nothing has been done to solve it.

That has nothing to do with being a racist, but maybe with "not caring enough about this game". Or whatever reason there is, I don't know the reason and did not even try to guess one, I can only see the result of it and to what it's leading to. That's all I was saying.

Now either try to talk properly and be able to discuss, or shut your mouth.

Thank you.

No, please do not just lock this. We have a problem here (as you can see every EU member agreed so far, also some more messaged me in Xfire but did not post here yet). Without discussing about it we'll never solve it. And this can be done without flaming, definitely. I did not see anyone flaming here yet (except you, pretty ironic).

I am not flaming just asking a question.

Just sayin

You're god damn right . I THINK,HOPE the recruiters are talking about this.

Thanks so much. I appreciate your support DCLS!


Stop with the racist comments. In all honesty, it gets pretty old reading about how Europeans and Americans are racist against each other. I would suggest just ending the fight now. I'm not taking sides here. Even though I'm not in RedCell, it gets annoying coming on watching fights between the two "sides" of the community. These issues need to be solved.

Thank you Venom.

Everyone be assured that we are aware of these issues, and further hostile discussion about them here will probably be deleted. This thread is about Venom's tourney, and let's keep it that way.

Alright, I know I'm just an app here, but honestly, I can't withhold my opinion any longer, and I'm sorry if it offends any of you.

You guys spend more of your time arguing if the Europeans or Americans are better at the game than you do just enjoying the game. It was designed for entertainment, not to cause drama. You guys need to accept that there will never be a contest that is completely fair in which you can prove your opinion, because regardless of who wins, the loser will make excuses as to why they lost instead of accepting the other team is better. (I'm sorry, this part of the post more belongs on the flame topic between Vash and Vanity)

And as for the squad thing, I do think it is rather unfair not just to the members, but to the apps that most of the generals are inactive. I think a Euro squad is a good idea in some ways, but in others a bad idea. Yes it groups together our European friends, but it doesn't truly make a difference if you are all in Delta or Alpha or Omega, it really doesn't. Squads truly don't make a difference, but you can also see the dilemma of making a Euro squad. Somewhere along the line you know that someone is probably going to make a comment about it being racist to group the Europeans together and call it segregation, which is probably why the council hasn't let Euro squad reform as of yet. Honestly, a lot of Americans are inactive, but real life comes first and you have to remember that when you claim that this is a European clan. And the Euro's who claim they are the only active ones anymore, are the members who aren't on later at night when the Americans finally have time to play, and don't see them because of the time difference.

I don't pretend to know it all, especially considering I don't even have access to the members forums, but this bickering about everything is causing more problems than its worth, and its honestly a massive turn off for apps...not a whole lot of people will want to join a clan they is regularly at each others throats. I can see this from both sides, but either way, these arguments are rather pointless. Clans are about playing with people you enjoy playing with, not about being in the best clan in the game. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, like I said, I don't pretend to know all the background information to this, what I know is what I see. I'm sorry if I'm out of line with this post, but I can't withhold my opinion any longer.

QFT

I'm sorry, it's clearly my fault that this clan does only have American generals and that I'm not awake all night to play with them. I should probably quit my job so I can sleep all day and play with the Americans all night long.

On a more serious note, I've nothing against having American generals, and of course there is a problem with the time difference but that is not the main issue here, that's something we obviously are not able to change. The main problem is that there is no effort whatosever being shown to include the EU players into the clan for example by having a general from Europe or to let them have an own squad. I don't think that this is "racist", "segregation" or whatever you called it. TX was used to have a "French only" squad for years and just revived it a few days ago. And it was/is a great idea, there is some competition within the clan between the squads, but all stay friendly and calm. There are no issues at all.

Once again: This is not against having American generals, but against not having European members in charge of a squad.

@Venom:
Sorry for "taking over" your tournament topic, but since we already posted so much important content here it is hard to switch over to a new topic now.

Not what I meant, but I stand corrected. I understand wanting to have a Euro general in charge, but what Euro member is active that has sufficient rank to be promoted to General? And its not like Europeans don't have a hand in voting, you still have Avelyn as a voter, and he counts as 1/3 for acceptance and 1/2 for denial. That is about as fair as it gets without being unfair to the American players as well. I wasn't saying you should stay up all night to play with the Americans, I was just saying that is part of why you don't see American activity. Yes there are a good amount of inactive American players who should probably edited onto the inactive list, but we can't help that with school in session, some of us are too swamped to play everyday.

P.S. I didn't say I find it racist or look at it as segregation, but there are some jack-wagons who probably would just to start shit

Guys, we could talk in our member forums from now on about this or not, thats the tour. topic from Venom so lets calm down a bit for all of us.
The recruiters will tell us when they have decide what they do now.

Are you serious?

One European voter out of 7 is your idea of "fair". And 2 out of 7 or 2 out of 8 would be "unfair to the American players"?

Please explain how 6 out of 8 or 5 out of 7 on the American side are unfair for the Americans.

I'm waiting for a hilarious explanation.

Edit: If the one EU recruiter does not vote for a EU app, it get's pretty hard for the EU player to get in. Almost impossible if he is working.

If an American player is app and one American general wont vote, then he still got 4-5 guys left who are available for him and who could vote! That's unfair!