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 Post subject: Dutch Agents Withdrawn from Iran
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:25 pm 
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AMSTERDAM - The Dutch intelligence service AIVD has in recent years a top secret operation carried out in Iran with the aim of infiltration and sabotage of the armaments industry in the Islamic republic.

The operation described as extremely successful was recently discontinued in connection with plans for an imminent U.S. air strike on Iran. It would also be bombed targets that relate to the Dutch spionageactie. That explained properly imported sources opposite De Telegraaf.

Tehran is suspected of being an atomic bomb and refuses to comply with the requirements of the West to stop enriching uranium.

One of the agents, who under the supervision of the AIVD managed to infiltrate into the Iranian industry, has recently recalled in the U.S. because the decision would be taken within a few weeks with unmanned aircraft to attack Iran. Among the potential targets are allegedly not only nuclear plants, military installations but also partly caused by the AIVD have been identified. Information from the AIVD-operation in recent years shared with the American intelligence agency CIA, according to sources.

It also could be sabotaged various supplies and stopped. It involved parts for missiles and launching vehicles. Iran is three times since 2006 hit by UN sanctions because of the controversial nuclear program. Western intelligence agencies fear that the land of the ayatollahs in 2010 about nuclear weapons at its disposal. The Iranian President Ahmadinejad threatens Israel regularly on the map sweep.

Ok so some words didn't translate well.Obviously Tehran isn't suspected of BEING an atomic bomb. I would also add that this newspaper is not taken very seriously in Holland. It is still best known as a NAZI newspaper in WWII. They are not above making all this stuff up, just for the sake of selling newspapers.

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Now I think that whenever you hear that a governments intelligence operatives may be involved in a given news story that you read you should attempt to recognize the propaganda in front of you.

Most news stories of this type are designed not for the public in general, but instead for the countries government of which the message is about. For instance, this story could easily be nothing but a fabrication of events in order to trick the Iranian government into quickly moving heavy assets from one site to another so that both sites could be better detected or confirmed as targets by satellites monitoring traffic overhead.

Almost all news stories that mention the word “Spy” is designed to be picked up and disseminated by various spy agencies themselves. This trick still works because even though all parties realize that the message is intended for them, the target side still has to figure out its meaning and purpose.

This story will obviously not be picked up by the American media or even the larger EU papers because it is too inflammatory. If it is picked up then it will most likely be spoken of as completely fabricated.

The exact timetable for attack is almost never know fully in advance because, as the D-Day invasions of Normandy show, even the high command themselves are usually unsure of when the best time to attack is until right before the moment arrives. As the Art of War by Sun Tzu states, “All that you can do is ensure that you are not defeated for it is the enemy, in making a mistake, that provides the victory.”

I would not put a lot of merit in the facts as presented in this story except one. That being the one that we all ready know: Iran is most likely going to be militarily attacked very soon.

Now I also think that if it were to come down to World War Three over this, this is how things would go down:

Firstly, matters of war are impossible to predict. That’s why most sane governments don’t constantly rush into war. So, all the following conjecture is just that, conjecture.

Almost all wars cause the inflation of commodities. Oil will obviously go up, as well as everything else.

Almost all wars cause great fluctuations in the purchasing price of various currencies. The American dollar will fall until it is shown that we kick their butts efficiently and quickly, then it will most likely rise to a higher level then it was when it fell (but this won’t happen in this case).

The following things will happen only if things get really bad:

Ration cards will be distributed to the public and you will only be allowed to buy things approved on your ration card. The ration card itself could be considered the “Mark of the Beast”if it is forced to be permanently attached to your skin or hand or whatnot.

Many companies will go out of business, but jobs will usually not suffer because instead of a service economy we will be moved into a war production economy. However, you won’t make dirt for a living and even if you do it won’t matter because you will still only be allowed to buy what’s on your ration card or “Mark of the Beast” (if that’s what is becomes).

They will institute the draft. And no, you will not be able to flee to another country to avoid it unless you are rich or powerful.

Crime will steadily increase because of the rationing. This isn’t world war two, people in America now are largely self serving. You can bet that because of this fact, the government will make much more of a police state in this country than they did during World War Two.

We will all have to be careful what we say and do in regards to the people in power. You might get away with some off the cuff comment now, but if things get really bad then you better learn to keep your trap shut, unless your religion compels you to do otherwise.

The internet will be either limited to government functions or limited only to approved media sources like China does. No more ATS Forum, no more a lot of web sites, especially ones that could sell products against the rationing systems guidelines and procedures.

The Department of Homeland Security will most likely organize citizens into security groups and other community defense organizations, such as the civil air patrol and what not. You have to remember that war with Iran will be a much bigger deal than any of us are used to. We are talking about the entire mobilization and involvement of our military forces. The creation of the Department of Homeland Security might have been solely to help control the American population in event of possible war efforts with foreign nations. We never needed it before did we? Obviously the Department of Homeland Security is designed to serve some controlling function that we do not yet fully realize. Otherwise our country would have created it during world war two, not an isolated terrorist strike in New York City.

From this I hope that you are getting the picture that things could get very different then we are used too very quickly.

I'll update this if I can manage to dig up more information and if I have the time to type it all up.

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A old news report from earlier in August:

Reports in the Kremlin today are stating that Prime Minister Putin has ordered the Defence Ministry of the Russian Federation to put the Volga-Urals Military District and Black Sea Fleet on ‘full war alert’ to prepare for the defense of the Iranian Nation against what is being termed as an ‘imminent attack’ being planned by the Western Powers.

As we had previously reported on in our August 8th report, “Kuwait Goes On ‘War Alert’ As Massive US Armada Heads For Iran”, the fears of Russian Military Analysts have been realized with the US backed puppet state of Georgia launching an unprecedented and unprovoked attack upon the Russian protected enclave of South Ossetia, and to which the latest reports have put the death toll at over 1,500 citizens of Russia and over 15 Russian Peacekeepers.

In a bid to force Russia from its planned defense of the Iranian peoples by provoking war in the Caucasus, however, the West has severely miscalculated as Putin has not only ordered the retaking of South Ossetia from the Western backed Georgian forces, but has also ordered the destruction of all oil pipelines going through Georgia to the West.

The first of these attacks is being reported today, and as we can read as reported by the Reuters News Service:

“Russian fighter jets targeted the the major Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) oil pipeline which carries oil to the West from Asia but missed, Georgia’s Economic Development Minister Ekaterina Sharashidze said on Saturday.”This clearly shows that Russia has not just targeted Georgian economic outlets but international economic outlets in Georgia,” she said at a news briefing.”

The West is, also, not alone in arousing the might of the Russia’s, as the Israelis have sided with their Western backers against the Russian people, and as we can read as reported by one of Israel’s intelligence organs DEBKAfile:

“Jerusalem owns a strong interest in Caspian oil and gas pipelines reach the Turkish terminal port of Ceyhan, rather than the Russian network. Intense negotiations are afoot between Israel Turkey, Georgia, Turkmenistan and Azarbaijan for pipelines to reach Turkey and thence to Israel’s oil terminal at Ashkelon and on to its Red Sea port of Eilat. From there, supertankers can carry the gas and oil to the Far East through the Indian Ocean.

Aware of Moscow’s sensitivity on the oil question, Israel offered Russia a stake in the project but was rejected.

Last year, the Georgian president commissioned from private Israeli security firms several hundred military advisers, estimated at up to 1,000, to train the Georgian armed forces in commando, air, sea, armored and artillery combat tactics. They also offer instruction on military intelligence and security for the central regime. Tbilisi also purchased weapons, intelligence and electronic warfare systems from Israel.

These advisers were undoubtedly deeply involved in the Georgian army’s preparations to conquer the South Ossetian capital Friday.

In recent weeks, Moscow has repeatedly demanded that Jerusalem halt its military assistance to Georgia, finally threatening a crisis in bilateral relations. Israel responded by saying that the only assistance rendered Tbilisi was “defensive.”

This has not gone down well in the Kremlin. Therefore, as the military crisis intensifies in South Ossetia, Moscow may be expected to punish Israel for its intervention.”

These reports continue by stating that the massive US backed Naval Armada, said to be the largest assembled since World War II, heading towards war with Iran will be met by both Russian and Iranian counterattacks aimed at destroying these enemy forces prior to their planned attack.

It is, also, interesting to note, that after unleashing the Israeli led puppet Georgian military forces against unarmed Russian citizens and lightly armed Russian peacekeepers, President Bush has said, “This fighting must stop, and, “I am deeply concerned about the situation in Georgia,” he said. “The United States takes this matter very seriously.”

But, not as seriously as he claims as he had just previously instructed his Ambassador to the United Nations to veto Russia’s resolution before the Security Council that stated, and as China’s Xinhua reports:

“The draft also called on “the parties to cease bloodshed without delay and renounce the use of force.” Diplomats said that during the closed-door consultations, the council failed to reach an agreement on the Russian text because some council members, including the United States, opposed the part calling on the parties to “renounce the use of force.”

President Medvedev was so livid after President Bush’s refusal to commit to peace that, these reports continue, he ordered the ‘immediate and systematic’ destruction of Georgian Military Forces, ‘wherever they are located in the World’.

Georgia’s President, Mikheil Saakashvili, responded to Medvedev’s moves by declaring martial law in Georgia and ordering all Georgian troops home from Iraq, where they had been stationed providing support to the US in its war on the Muslim peoples of the World.

These latest moves by the Georgian dictator, however, are appearing too late in this war to save his troubled Nation, and as we can read from the latest battlefield updates:

“The war between Russia and Georgia expanded on Saturday, with fighting spilling outside the Caucasus province of Ossetia, both sides moving reinforcements into the region and Georgian President Mikheil Saakhashvili declaring martial law in the country.

While the international community continued to exhort both sides to step back from the brink, the United Nations Security Council remained unable to forge a united response. The fiercest battles were in the South Ossetian city of Tskhinvali, where street fighting and artillery exchanges continued throughout the day and eyewitnesses reported city blocks reduced to rubble.

Russian forces consisting of Spetsnaz special forces infantry, and paratrooper infantry flown in from the Russian interior had captured Tskhinvali by Saturday afternoon, Georgian officials said. Aleksander Lomaia, Georgia’s national security chief, in a telephone interview said Georgian forces had pulled back from the town ‘unilaterally.’ Lomaia estimated the Russian infantry assault force at 1,500 to 2,500 troopers.

Counts of civilian casualties varied widely, with Georgia estimating between one and two dozen killed, and some 100 injured as of Friday evening. Eduard Kokoity, South Ossetia’s leader, claimed more than 1,600 civilians had died and implied thousands more had been injured.”

And, as Prime Minister Putin has just arrived in the War Region of South Ossetia, the resolve of the Worlds peace loving Nations to stop the expansion of the Western Powers though military might appears to have met its most logical first major obstacle by the awakening of a very, very angry Russian Bear from its long hibernation since the dissolution of the Soviet Empire.

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you actually expect us to read all that, fat chance ;P

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the_Sith_God wrote:
you actually expect us to read all that, fat chance ;P


If you want to know about things you wouldn't normally hear about you would read it.

It's a good read and it will get you thinking about situations in the world today and what could be in the future.

I don't expect the younger people with short attention spans to read it, so by no means feel free not to. If you aren't young then I apologize, but I think this is very important no matter where you live.

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ok glad your here to tell us these things then ;p

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Georgia permitted Israel to use two military airfields for 'a potential pre-emptive strike' against Iranian nuclear sites, a report says.

The revelation came after Georgia's offensive into South Ossetia in early August prompted Russia to march its Special Forces into the region, United Press International reported.

Russian Special Forces raided the airfields - in addition to other Israeli facilities in southern Georgia -, where Israeli drones were captured.

According to the report, Israel had used the airfields to 'conduct recon flights over southern Russia, as well as into nearby Iran'.

"A secret agreement between Georgia and Israel had earmarked two military airfields in the south of Georgia for use by Israeli fighter-bombers in a potential pre-emptive strike against Iran," read the report.

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This is all very interesting.

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Why should you be outspoken if your religion compels you to?

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